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		<title>Into the Fray: My thoughts on the Jay Maisel and Andy Baio mess</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Wadman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There has been a lot of nasty stuff said about the situation between Jay Maisel and Andy Baio. If you read photographic news but have been under a rock for the past few weeks, here&#8217;s the jist:  Baio made a version of Mile Davis&#8217; &#8216;Kind of Blue&#8217; called &#8216;Kind of Bloop&#8217; using 8bit sounds like [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of nasty stuff said about the situation between Jay Maisel and Andy Baio. If you read photographic news but have been under a rock for the past few weeks, here&#8217;s the jist:  Baio made a version of Mile Davis&#8217; &#8216;Kind of Blue&#8217; called &#8216;Kind of Bloop&#8217; using 8bit sounds like you&#8217;d get from an old NES. While he got the rights to the music from Sony, for the cover he had an artist friend of his recreate the iconic cover&#8217;s photograph of Miles, which was taken by Jay Maisel, as a very low-res graphic. Something like 64&#215;64 pixels. Maisel&#8217;s lawyers called foul, and in the end Baio paid him something like $30,ooo and promised not to use it again.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, here&#8217;s Baio&#8217;s side of the story: <a href="http://waxy.org/2011/06/kind_of_screwed/" target="_blank">http://waxy.org/2011/06/kind_of_screwed/</a></p>
<p>Now, as all this was going on, a very popular photo blogger named Thomas Hawk out in San Francisco started writing all kinds of nasty things about Maisel.  People were incited to vandalize the front of Maisel&#8217;s building in Manhattan in defense of Baio, that kind of thing. A buddy of mine <a href="http://waxy.org/2011/06/kind_of_screwed/" target="_blank">sent me this link this morning</a> adding yet more fuel to the fire. Big giant flaming arrows of vitriol apparently being shot from all sides.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all very ugly and people have been asking me what I think of all this. I&#8217;m not going to get into the mess that has precipitated because honestly I couldn&#8217;t care less. But I do have some thoughts on the original case which I figure I might as well air out. I&#8217;ll preface this by saying that I know Jay Maisel and Thomas Hawk though I have never met Mr Baio. Both of them have been nothing but nice to me, so this is not a comment on them as human beings. Also, none of what I&#8217;m going to say has much to do with what is legally right according to current laws, more my opinion of how it should be in an ideal world.</p>
<p>I think that the idea of making Kind of Blue with 8bit synth instruments is a silly, fun, and good idea.  Would I actually listen to it?  No.  I&#8217;m one of those crazy people with an $8000 stereo.  Lo-fi doesn&#8217;t appeal to me, but Kind of Blue is such a classic album, good on Andy Baio for making something happen.  I can&#8217;t imagine that he ever intended to make very much money from it, instead it sounds like it was more a silly labor of love.</p>
<p>While I think he would have been better off if he had asked Jay to use the photo first, Maisel&#8217;s lawyers apparently said it wouldn&#8217;t have mattered because he would never have approved of it anyway.  I&#8217;m also not entirely convinced that it&#8217;s the photo any more.  The artist, from what I understand, didn&#8217;t shrink the cover photo down to 64 pixels, instead he redrew it pixel by pixel to closely approximate the original photo on a much smaller, very low resolution scale. Is that still the picture? Baio does have an interesting section of his blog post where he keeps deconstructing it down to a handful of pixels to make the case of just where the line is when it&#8217;s completely unrecognizable as the original image. It&#8217;s hard to say.</p>
<p>Someone recently did set of <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dong_simeng/sets/72157626769499317/" target="_blank">chalk drawings based on my Motion series</a> of photographs. Are they they same as my photos? Well they&#8217;re inspired by my photos, anything more specific than that is a judgement call.  If those drawings suddenly got picked up and the guy made a million dollars, yes I would be pissed. But mostly because I&#8217;d want people to know of my work.  In the Baio case, there&#8217;s no chance that the new 64 pixel version will ever compete with Jay&#8217;s original photograph in mindshare. That cover is one of the most recognized in the history of Jazz and it&#8217;s over 50 years old. Most of the people who worked on it are dead, the photographer happens to still be alive. It&#8217;s a cultural touchstone, it&#8217;s part of our collective history. I know it&#8217;s not legally true, but with something like that photo and that album, I think it should be in a place somewhere approaching public domain for derivative works. But the discussion of the absurdity of long-term copyright is a giant kettle of fish that I won&#8217;t get into for fear of pissing off a gaggle of lawyers down in Orlando.</p>
<p>If all of this happened to me, I would have contacted Baio, say I was flattered, explain my side of the story and then ask for a piece of the profits. I would not have asked that he immediately cease using the image and pay me damages. It&#8217;s both bad press in this day and age, especially for something so obviously marketed to very vocal geeks on the internet, and it&#8217;s also the nice thing to do.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m too nice most of the time, but I think that we in the first world all need to step back and take a breath every once in a while. None of this stuff is life or death people.</p>
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